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This is a historical archive of an election for new Administrators. The result was that Gnosis is knowledge and Michaeldsuarez were elected Administrators.
Please do not edit this page. If you have any further comments, add them to the talk page.

NOTICE ADDED JULY 1st: Due to the recent resignation of Jedi Master 76 from the position of Administrator, two Administrators should be elected by the end of this election.

I honestly didn’t think we’d be having an Administrative election for quite some time, if ever, because Vic and I really had things covered well. However, Squishy Vic has now retired, as most of you most likely know, so that leaves me as the one fully active Administrator. Obviously Jasca Ducato and C3PO the Dragon Slayer are somewhat active, and NKSCF is a bit less somewhat active, but the other Administrators simply aren’t active enough to cover what Vic and I had been doing, and I can’t cover all that by myself.

I don’t mean to toot my own horn, but I think I’m a pretty damn good leader. I wouldn’t have made it to where I am on the internet and, far more importantly, real life if I wasn’t, because as well all know leadership standards obviously have had to be raised due to some recent events. However, no one can properly micro-manage everything like I’d have to micro-manage this wiki. I can’t do it and no one can do it, and if I tried to then it’d just blow up in my face. That is why this election is necessary, as are the upcoming elections for a new Bureaucrat and a new Decreton Lord or two.

I just want to take a moment to go over the rules for Administrator elections, however they are fairly long and would just clutter this page so I’m simply going to direct you to Star Wars Fanon:Requests for adminship. You need to read that before voting or else you’re liable to have your vote removed. Technically this election should be held on the aforementioned page, but just to keep things a bit more orderly I’m doing it here, and placing a link on the RFA page. The results will be archived as normal, though.

Remember the basics like you cannot vote for yourself, you cannot vote if you do not have 250 edits and you cannot vote if you have not been here for one month. Voting will be starting immediately today and will last until July 23rd, which is exactly one month from today, per normal. If you wish to oppose a candidate, you need to supply clear and concrete reasons for it. Invalid reasons such as personal issues will result in your vote being void. If it seems like there is a clear winner before then, then we’ll discuss ending it earlier.

NOTICE: I am adding something to the rules here for this election that I plan on officially proposing when it is over. Because there are now two spots open due to the resignation of Vic and now Jedi Master 76, users may give FULL support to two but ONLY two candidates. After that, the current rules apply.

Please let me know if you have any questions. Also, keep in mind that you are welcomed and encouraged to ask the candidates questions so you can learn more about them and how they will be an Administrator. Just to throw this out there, I hope to have two new Administrators by the end of this election, because I sincerely doubt only one could fill the very large shoes that Vic is leaving behind. - President Brandon Rhea Presidentialseal (Pressroom) (Record) 21:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Current Standings

  1. Gnosis is knowledge (11)
  2. Michaeldsuarez (5)
  3. Darth tom (2)

Voting

Gnosis is knowledge

Support

  1. I owe quite a bit to Gnosis. Back in the August - September elections in 2007, NKSCF was the clear and obvious front runner. Gnosis and I were both vying for that second slot. Considering the votes, Gnosis would have won. However, he pulled out of the race and left the Wiki for a few months citing personal reasons. Had he not pulled out, he would have become an Administrator and I would not have. It is likely that there would not have been another election and I would not even be an Administrator right now. He is a very qualified candidate, having been here for a very long time and knowing the insides and out of the Wiki. He also is incredibly helpful by welcoming users, notifying them that they need to follow policies, tagging articles with maintenance templates, etc. A glance at his edits will tell you much more. He has my full support pending the nomination of other candidates. - President Brandon Rhea Presidentialseal (Pressroom) (Record) 21:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  2. I can't believe he isn't an administrator already. He has been here since the beginning and has done much to keep this Wiki on track. --Michaeldsuarez Sabersmilygreend (Activate Holocron) 21:51, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  3. I think he does deserve it, and has done for a while. Darth Abeonis Sith Council Sith Campaign 22:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  4. Full Vote lol I told Darth tom over the IRC that Gnosis would be involved in this election. History is in the making. As the Dark Lord Jasca has voted, I will follow the dark lord. But seriously per Michaeldsuarez. Sabersmilyred AndeLeg Arav (talk) 22:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  5. Yeah. I like him.—Darthtyler Scuba_Diver.gif Talk 23:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  6. No question. Okay, I lied, there will be plenty of questions from me, but he still has my support! --C3PO the Dragon Slayer 6,000,000 forms of communication | Dragons I've Slayed Sabersmilyc3po 01:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
  7. Get this man his well-deserved job! NKsig Jesus Freak NK says NK's 'mazin' articles Sabersmilygreend 14:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
  8. Per everyone. Unit 8311 14:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
  9. I vote for him too.-Endor chicken
  10. Well...why not. I've never had any trouble with him. N@M3Le$$ | Talk | Contributions | MoaDS | Namelesennius Namelesennius 02:21, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
  11. Definitely. It amuses me that it took him this long, despite being one of the users who was around here since the beginning, and with so many good edits and contributions. Smile -- JM76 Ask Archives Sabersmilyjm76 23:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
  12. I fail to see the competition and great veteran user here. Wing msg 02:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
  13. Per above. Drewton Era-old (Drewton's Holocron) 13:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
  14. Better late then never eh?TroybShadowFeed contribsCouncil ROTS 14:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. Meh. --Victor (talk) 21:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  2. I'll have to look at his contributions... Drewton Era-old (Drewton's Holocron) 22:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  3. Haven't really seen him do much HP work, so why should it be any different with admin? Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 07:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Because HP can get to be a boring job sometimes. If you look at Gnosis's contributions, he's constantly welcoming people and letting them know what policies they've broken and tagging articles for clean up, categorization or deletion. That's the work an Administrator does, and he's already doing it. - President Brandon Rhea Presidentialseal (Pressroom) (Record) 09:42, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
      • How do I know doing an admin work won't become boring for him, based on this? Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 16:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Because there's an incredibly big difference between pointing out mind-boggling spelling/grammar errors and helping people learn how to follow policies and performing technical duties. I get bored reviewing spelling and grammar sometimes. What does that tell you? - President Brandon Rhea Presidentialseal (Pressroom) (Record) 17:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
      • It tells me you at least have the perseverence to continue on with it. It's not about whether it's 'interesting' or not, point is, he's been picked to do it. Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 05:57, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
        • Yeah, the reason I'm neutral is because he is sporadically active and therefore, unreliable at the moment. --Victor (talk) 08:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
  4. I bloody well can't choose between Tom and Gnosis. AndeLeg Arav (talk) 07:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  5. I'm with Victor on this one "Meh" Jonn1234 11:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
    Vote void per the voting policy. Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 12:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments

  • Awww...now this is where my voting privileges would have come in handy. And all because of one little article that's deleted now anyway... -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12) (Chow) 00:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Is their anyone else for the job? Not that I know of, just Gnosis is knowledge.AndeLeg Arav (talk) 05:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Questions

From the desk in the oval-shaped office of Brandon Rhea:

  1. How long have you been on Star Wars Fanon?
  2. What do you think makes a good Star Wars Fanon article?
    • Does the article describe the subject good enough? Does the article have descriptive images? Is the storyline good? -- Knowledge the Article Writer talk 21:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  3. What turns a poorly written stub into an Article for Deletion?
    • If it has horrible grammar and spelling that cannot be understood by most people, then it should be deleted. -- Knowledge the Article Writer talk 21:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  4. How should the "Cabal" deal with violations of the Manual of Style?
    • Politely inform the user that they have made a MOS violation, and help them fix it. If they continue to make MOS violations, then they should be blocked for a short time. -- Knowledge the Article Writer talk 21:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  5. What is the biggest problem with Star Wars Fanon?
    • Right now, I'd say that it is the number of new pages being made with bad grammar and spelling, no category, only-infobox, images without sources, etc. -- Knowledge the Article Writer talk 21:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
    1. How could you help solve this problem as a member of the Cabal?
    2. How could you help solve this problem as a normal user?
      • I already warn users against making bad articles. I tell them to stop making articles without categories, and inform them how to add categories, tell them to stop making articles without infoboxes, etc. -- Knowledge the Article Writer talk
  6. When should notices be placed on Sitenotice?
    • Whenever something very important occurs, such as new admin elections, major changes, and stuff like that. -- Knowledge the Article Writer talk 21:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  7. How should a new user be welcomed? What would your personal Template:Hello look like?
    • They should be welcomed politely. But they should also be informed that we do not tolerate junk articles. -- Knowledge the Article Writer talk 21:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  8. In what circumstances should an article be deleted on the spot by an admin?
    • If the article is obviously vandalism, has no content (like if it just says "hi"), only infobox, or is copy-and-pasted from some other site, then it should immediately be deleted. -- Knowledge the Article Writer talk 21:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  9. What is your favorite Star Wars episode? (Hint: Do not say "Attack of the Clones")
  10. How can the users of Star Wars Fanon be more encouraged to participate in portal projects?
  11. How do you know we have a consensus?
    • Hmm...maybe over 60% of people voting yes or no.
  12. What parts of your life to you prioritize over Star Wars Fanon (if this is not a long list, you have no life)?
  13. How many digits of pi do you know?
    • 4; 3.1415
  14. Is there anything else we should know about you?

New question…

  1. If elected administrator, will you consistently attend to the articles for immediate deletion (and images for immediate deletion if necessary), broken redirects, and double redirects at least on a bi-daily basis? —Victor, Sr. «discussion» 05:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Michaeldsuarez

Support

  1. Full Vote He is a great user. He helps out this wiki so much by cleaning up this place and helping out new users. Is very much active and if he becomes a administrator, he will probably be the 2nd most active admin.I asked him if he would like to run because Jedi Maser76 has stepped down, and he has agreed.AndeLeg Arav (talk) 22:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
  2. Drewton Era-old (Drewton's Holocron) 13:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
  3. He's basically doing it already. This is a guy who contributes to the community by getting rid of category less categories, pages, and the like without having to be asked to. Keep it up. NKsig Jesus Freak NK says NK's 'mazin' articles Sabersmilygreend 15:11, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
  4. I give a tentative Full Vote pending any other nominations. It doesn't matter if he doesn't have articles or not. That's not what makes an Administrator. Some of our Administrators have plenty of articles and continue to work on them yet do nothing Administrative related. Michael is already doing that stuff. He tags plenty of articles for deletion, now he can actually delete them. I don't remember having an Administrator that really only dealt with the technical stuff, and I think this is going to help significantly. - President Brandon Rhea Presidentialseal (Pressroom) (Record) 15:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
    • That's exactly why I nominated him. AndeLeg Arav (talk) 22:27, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
  5. FULL SUPPORT. I have confidence Mikey will do well. Wing msg 16:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
  6. FULL SUPPORT Michael helped me much more than Gnosis :) He appears to be a nice guy; probably he would be a great administrator... Momergil 18:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
  7. Full Vote. --Victor (talk) 21:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure if I can vote or not but, I owe a lot to Micheal so I know I can at least support him! Jonn1234 11:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
      • You can check out the voting policy. You need 250 mainspace/article edits, and you need to be here for at least a month. You can check how many edits you have here. Sorry, you don't have enough edits. --Michaeldsuarez Sabersmilygreend (Activate Holocron) 14:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
  8. As many of you know, I'm not one for community involvement. But, I've been monitoring this man here, and he is a great user. Constantly helping others, lending a hand and what have you. It doesn't matter what his edit count is, or how long he's been here. The only thing that matters is if he's going to improve the wiki. (Much in the way I'd like to believe that my constant wars with everyone did at least some good for the site. You guys know who you are...) Anyways, the site should be in good hands with Mike as an admin.-- CurrentBigThing (Speak) 21:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. A good guy, but barely an article edits. I can't really expect him to empathise with authors if he hasn't really written any articles, and he's only written a few. Besides, he's not that active any more (he seems to be coming back, but I'd need more assurance) and the good work he's doing doesn't need administrative duties to continue. Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 05:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
  2. Per Tom, the articles are just not there, and most not in depth. This is the same reason I didn't seek a nomination, I have been here a while but I haven't put enough behind my articles to deserve the position, I feel you have to be able to understand the tribulations that each individual could go through before you should represent them. N.Y.N.E.ComlinkSithempire2 03:04, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
    • I understand what you're saying, and while I disagree with you your points are valid, but "the tribulations that each individual could go through"? Really? Article writers aren't exactly the proletariat, here. - President Brandon Rhea Presidentialseal (Pressroom) (Record) 03:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
      • Okay perhaps Tribulations was a bit too much. But as far as administrators go I've always had the best luck with those who have had more articles, those that can see things from the point of view of both the newest fanon writers and the veterans. N.Y.N.E.ComlinkSithempire2 03:38, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Questions

I have questions about you, from Wing.

  1. What are your priorities, online and offline? Wing msg 21:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Online: I finished all the category and template edits that I was planning to do, so I'm going to move on to editing articles. The articles to be improved category is huge, so I believe there is plenty that I can do. There's many new users coming aboard, so I want to help them as well. --Michaeldsuarez Sabersmilygreend (Activate Holocron) 18:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Offline: I just graduated High School, so I'm going to college for the fall. I'm going to Stony Brook University in order to study English and Math. I hope to use the skills I'll acquire in college in order to become a teacher and writer. --Michaeldsuarez Sabersmilygreend (Activate Holocron) 18:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  2. How long have you been here? Wing msg 21:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  3. What in your opinion is a good article and a bad article? Wing msg 21:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • A bad article is an article with a lack of creativity, ton of red links, and poor grammar and spelling. Basically, it's any articles that doesn't read well and attracts little interest from the reader. It's an article that an user creates with little thought or care. --Michaeldsuarez Sabersmilygreend (Activate Holocron) 18:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • A good article is the opposite. It's interesting and creative. You want to know how the author came up with everything. It's original and it presents the reader with something they've never seen before. It doesn't have any grammar or spelling error to distract the reader. It has a unique writing style that keeps the reader reading and reading. An good article should also have distinctive and eye-catching pictures. --Michaeldsuarez Sabersmilygreend (Activate Holocron) 18:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  4. Do you think you could work well with the other administrators? Wing msg 21:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Yes, I'm already getting along with them. Although they sometimes make me aware of a mistake or issue, I always resolve the conflict quickly. I don't believe being an administrator will change any that. I'll do my best to remain friendly, kind, and polite with the administrators and all users. --Michaeldsuarez Sabersmilygreend (Activate Holocron) 18:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  5. Do you have any leadership experience, and if yes, what? Wing msg 21:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • No, I don't. I'm afraid that my leadership experience is limited to failed attempts to obtain a leadership position. I tried to become the Drum Major (leader) of the High School Marching Band, but two future Naval officiers were chosen instead. I also tried to become captain of the Cross-Country team and the Track and Field team, but better athletes took the position instead. --Michaeldsuarez Sabersmilygreend (Activate Holocron) 18:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  6. How active do you think could you be? Wing msg 21:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • I'll be very active in the future. Although I'm going to college, I should still be able to contribute 4+ hours/day, 5+ days/week. --Michaeldsuarez Sabersmilygreend (Activate Holocron) 18:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  7. Why do you want to be an administrator? Wing msg 21:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • That's like asking a child if they want to became the President. Ever since I was a child, I always dreamt of doing something important. Although some might think Wiki's are unimportant, I hope to develope writing and leadership skills here. I hope to become a great writer and teacher one day, but I won't have a chance if I attempt to do that prepared. Those skills must develope here and now. Although this may sound like I just using this opportunity as a stepping stone, I hope to make significant and lasting contributions here before I, too, am forced to retire one day. --Michaeldsuarez Sabersmilygreend (Activate Holocron) 18:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Another question:

  1. If elected administrator, will you consistently attend to the articles for immediate deletion (and images for immediate deletion if necessary), broken redirects, and double redirects at least on a bi-daily basis? —Victor, Sr. «discussion» 05:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I have some more questions before tomorrow. Wing msg 20:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

  1. Firstly, can I call you Mikey? Wing msg 20:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Yes, you can; I never had anything against nicknames before, especially since I chose such a long name for my user name. --Michaeldsuarez Sabersmilygreend (Activate Holocron) 21:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  2. Secondly, what do hope to have accomplished within your first week as an administrator assuming you become one? Wing msg 20:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
    • I hope hope to fulfill whatever task is expected of an Administrator and more if possible. I want to fix some of the newer articles and I think it's time to reduce the amount of articles on this list. To be honest, this is the first time I had the chance to become an administrator, so all this will be kind of new for me. I hope to become use to it within the first week. --Michaeldsuarez Sabersmilygreend (Activate Holocron) 21:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Darth tom

Support

  1. He's a great user. Dispite being here for a relatively short time, he has accoplished much. He has restarted and led CUSWFN (I can't wait until the next issue). He has also led Project Cruentus, which appears to be going very well. These acts have demonstrated Tom's leadership skills and his ability to work well with others, both of which are needed for the administrator's job. He has also helped many users and corrected their mistakes. He'll make a great administrator. --Michaeldsuarez Sabersmilygreend (Activate Holocron) 18:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  2. Full Vote Per Mich. Tom is more active than Gnosis. He usually greets and helps a user when they first come here (When he is logged in). I think Tom is a very questionative guy, and I think that is what we need, another active questionative admin who just pushes a few extra buttons. (Thanks to Jack for that line Tongue). AndeLeg Arav (talk) 23:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  3. I give my support to Tom, what he lacks in longevity he makes up for in his attention to detail, and when it comes down to it officially, we need an administrator that pays attention to the details more than anything else. N.Y.N.E.ComlinkSithempire2 02:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
  4. I support tom because he really helps the users and improves the community.I am sure that he will do good work if he,finally,be elected.spartan-53 aka Darth odysseas 07:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Sorry Tom. I think that Michaeldsuarez and Gnosis is knowledge are the best contenders. Sorry. AndeLeg Arav (talk) 23:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • That's fine. There's no need to apologize for your views. Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 06:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  2. Not ready – While I won't support Gnosis based on his spurts of inactivity, I won't support tom because he still doesn't grasp which and when articles should be deleted. Tom has done a lot, but that doesn't make him ready for adminship, and I'd rather see these positions (which are essentially replacing myself and my friend JM76) filled by more experienced (which does matter, definitely) and inclusionist users (good examples: Michaeldsuarez and Gnosis). Besides, tom is a bit too forceful with new users and is too defensive, seemingly taking things too personal when it's not (and can never be) personal. The forceful stuff reminds me of my old self, which is not a good thing. --Victor (talk) 04:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
    Whilst I respect your points, I do believe I've given up my forceful ways; have I done this recently? No. And what do you mean by personal? I will defend my right to something I believe I'm being unfairly accused of, or something like that, but what do you mean? Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 07:18, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
    Yeah, but like you said about Michaeldsuarez's activity level, I need more assurance you won't be so forceful. It wasn't that long ago that your were forceful, and it wasn't just one incident. I saw it many times, displaying ignorance about the rules, and if you are an administrator, you need to know the rules. Some of our current administrators don't even respect the rules all the time which have been set, and even I didn't follow those rules sometimes (such as deleting categoryless stuff right away, etc.) You can't just say one day, "k, i done guys bein mean" and expect everyone to fall under you. I still need more assurance. Also, you also still need to learn proper categorization, in terms of creating them. When I took a look at them (contributions) earlier today, I saw that you created a bunch of redlink categories for users. That's good, but you should always make sure you're doing it right and guiding others to do the same, such as with Category:Medical Droids‎ (where droids shouldn't be capitalized) or with Category:Third Republic Capital Ships, which is all caps and shouldn't be. These are just examples that you simply created the category to fill in a red link, rather than taking it upon yourself to first fix the category name to either a more proper category or to at least proper grammar, and then creating it. You have to take the initiative and correct these things, otherwise SWF will go back to having a bunch of messed up and/or redundant categories. As for the personal thing, I just mean that you seem to take it to heart when I oppose you, when it's not personal, and rather I just believe you need more experience, and that there are better options right now. In example: like you say you're being unfairly accused, when it's not unfair, since you had a line of unfair warnings and threats of deletion against others. It's fact and can be found on various pages. Both Michael and Gnosis have been friendly and helpful to all users (both new and old), something I (at first) didn't like from Gnosis but can now appreciate more. Therefore, I have opposed your nomination; however, other than that, it's great that you're starting to help out more recently around the community, and it's always good to see positive progression. --Victor (talk) 07:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
    No, I understand. And the 'unfairly accused' thing had no relevance here; I wasn't saying I was being unfairly accused here, I was saying if I was I would defend. And I don't believe I take it personally; I hold nothing against you for opposing me, and I don't believe you are against me just because you oppose my RfA. However, your view is your view, and you're fully entitled to it. Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 11:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
    Ah, then my bad (about the accused thing). Of course you can defend yourself from being falsely accused, but I thought that was what you were alluding too when you said that (that I was falsely accusing you). Anyway, that's what I meant by that. --Victor (talk) 19:20, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
    Actually, my bad; should have made it clear. Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 20:08, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
    No my bad! Tongue - President Brandon Rhea Presidentialseal (Pressroom) (Record) 20:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. --Victor (talk) 21:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  1. After long debate with Tom, I will vote as neutral. Also I vote neutral because I can't decide between Tom and Gnosis. AndeLeg Arav (talk) 07:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments

  1. I'm not entirely sure yet. I haven't seen him do anything really above and beyond what's required of him, other than initially deciding to take on CUSWFN which has been mentioned. When I say that, it's more in terms of once he was in that position and as a High Priest, or just a regular member. I know he's cleaning up LOTR Fanon, so I'd have to take a look at what he's doing there. One of the other reasons I'm not quite sure yet is the way I've seen him deal with some users. He's been incredibly forceful with threatening to have articles deleted and the like, and the problem I have with that is that he wasn't really in a position to be threatening to have articles deleted. To sum up, this is not an oppose, but it's not yet a support. Can I change my opinion? Sure, I just need to think, see LOTR Fanon and hear from Tom. - President Brandon Rhea Presidentialseal (Pressroom) (Record) 19:55, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    Well, to quote the default page that appears on Name of Wiki: Administrators before it is edited, it reads: 'Ideally an admin shouldn't be considered "in charge".' Therefore, adminstrators aren't to be considered in charge and I did have perfect right to do so. However, have I not stopped on it since the actual incidence? At the risk of sounding impertinent, administrators aren't 'in charge', and so I had every right to warn these users. It also says: 'The ideal admin is just someone who is trusted to have a few extra buttons and to use them for the benefit of the Wikia community.' It doesn't state someone who's allowed to warn users unlike other users, and I defend anyones write to do so, and to warn a user that it will be deleted, and that it's in everyones right to put a deletion template on the page. 'The ideal admin is just someone who is trusted to have a few extra buttons'; we don't have these buttons and so we are completely allowed to use templates instead of buttons, thus pretty much doing what the administrators can do. However, the 'power' of the administrators isn't negated by this as the administrators have the dele button, and so have the final say. I believe that what I did wasn't wrong and, anyway, I haven't done so since then. Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 20:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • My qualm had more to do with the overly-forceful tone you used in going about it. - President Brandon Rhea Presidentialseal (Pressroom) (Record) 20:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
      • Yeah, that I do accept, and I believe I've changed that since then. I've done a lot of greets/asking to categorize since then, and I don't believe I've been overly forceful since. Is one incident too much to be forgiven for? I don't believe so, and I don't believe the community do; NKSCF is an admin, despite once making a PA. Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 20:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  2. I am confused. Tom has proven to be a good user, but I want an active veteran user to become an admin. Wing msg 21:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Whilst that's a perfectly good view, I don't think it's entirely necessary. I think it should be the best man for the job, regardless of how long they've been there. Be it Gnosis, Michael or I is for the community to decide. Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 21:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • In that case, as far as best man for the job, it should be Gnosis. Wing msg 21:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • If you feel that then vote for him by all means, as you have done. May I point out, however, that we need two admins, to all others here, and so you may vote twice. Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 21:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  3. I was right Tom....I was right. You could be a admin! Sorry, but I have to oppose this. AndeLeg Arav (talk) 23:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Questions

  1. If elected administrator, will you consistently attend to the articles for immediate deletion (and images for immediate deletion if necessary), broken redirects, and double redirects at least on a bi-daily basis? —Victor, Sr. «discussion» 05:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
    No. I will not do it on a bi-daily basis. I will refer to them on a daily basis. Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 08:15, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
    Even better. You had me going there for a second, I thought you were going to say something like "No, I will not do it on a bi-daily basis. Maybe once a week." Tongue —Victor, Sr. «discussion» 03:18, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
    Heh, you've seen how active I am; just how lazy would I have to be not to do it daily? Darthtomsig iChat What I've done 06:53, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
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